Regarding a debate over Caitlyn Jenner’s ESPY award for courage, transgender reporter Zoey Tur and Breitbart’s Ben Shapiro engaged in a rather heated discussion over genetics.
During the HLN debate, Shapiro downplayed Jenner’s alleged courage rather swiftly, saying his 18-month-old baby had managed to self-identify, and nobody has given him an award.
Tur, actually agreed that Jenner didn’t deserve the award, but did say that the whole ‘Caitlyn’ story was one of bravery.
Shapiro however, spent a majority of the debate referring to Jenner in male pronouns, an apparent sin in liberal spheres. He explained that no matter what Jenner has done to his appearance or body, “every chromosome, every cell in Caitlyn Jenner’s body, is male.”
“Facts don’t care about your feelings,” he explained.
Tur took exception, grabbing Shapiro by the shoulder, clearly trying to intimidate him. When Tur challenged Shapiro’s knowledge of genetics, Shapiro shot back, “What are your genetics, sir?”
That’s when the wheels fell off the interview.
“We both know chromosomes don’t necessarily mean you’re male or female,” Tur replied, and then put her hand on Shapiro’s shoulder. “So you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re not educated on genetics.” That prompted Shapiro to ask: “What are your genetics, sir?”
And off we go. “You cut that out now, or you’ll go home in an ambulance,” Tur shot back while holding Shapiro by the back of his neck. The rest of the show’s guests then explained to Shapiro how he knew full-well his use of “sir” was meant to be inflammatory, but he was not moved. “It’s not a matter of aggressively insulting,” he said. “The entire discussion is whether we are embracing mental illness and delusion as a society.”
When the conversation resumed after a commercial break, the fire hadn’t subsided. Tur told Shapiro, “You’re consumed with hatred,” after the conservative commentator denied any ill will towards the transgender community. “You’re a little man,” she added. “Little boy.”
Watch the intense exchange below…
Had the tables been turned here and Shapiro threatened to send the transgendered Tur “home in an ambulance,” his career would have been ended and he’d be the subject of constant threats from the LGBT community.
Little will be made of this however, because Shapiro is a conservative.
Comment – What do you make of Tur’s threat of violence? Was Shapiro being provocative? Did he deserve the physical and verbal threats from Tur? Would he be out of a job if he threatened violence against the transgender reporter?